Ukip are happy to politicise abuse without equipping the children of the future

The abuse in Rotherham and other Northern towns is appalling. It’s a failure of those in power to listen to and respect the voices of girls and their parents, the voices of people from largely deprived backgrounds. No one is denying that the abusers were mostly from a Pakistani background.
The report by Commissioned by Rotherham Council, is very clear there were systematic failures by all those we hold responsible for caring for our young people. No one can disagree with it’s conclusions. No one is trying to.

However the behaviour of UKip has not added to the debate it has not taken it forward, it has not said how they would help the voices of the unheard be listened to in the future. They have not put forward one policy or suggestion that will help young people who are abused.

As a party they have decided that this poster is the way forward

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To say that this politicking at its worst in an understatement. The response of their members has been far far worse.

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So what do a Ukip want to do to ensure that young people have the tools to protect them against abuse. Well they voted with the tories to deny all young people the right to universal sexual and reproductive health at the EU. They have ignored these facts

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They decided that young people in primary school should learn about what is appropriate and what is not from their carers and parents, seemingly ignoring that 90% of abuse is at the hands of some one they know. In the case of the very young that means family or family friends.

They would be wise to read this

Chole Hamilton in the Independent
“It is our responsibility, as adults, to equip children with the skills and information they need to recognise and report abuse. It’s terrifying to think how many primary-school children might have suffered in silence, confused and unsure about whether they should report inappropriate behaviour, unsure even if the behaviour is inappropriate. If we don’t educate children from a young age about the difference between consent and abuse, we are leaving them vulnerable to all sorts of unimaginable horrors.”

The use of abused young children to make a political point, whilst offering no solutions, whilst having a senior member who like the police in Rotherham makes the mistake of thinking that if you on a date Rape is not the same as when it’s a stranger, whilst denying young children the knowledge that empowers them. This is Ukips solution to the problem .. Not to have one, not to look to the future, to ignore the wishes of parents. To produce an election leaflet that talked about white girls and ignored all other victims

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There are many things that need fixing in society. To exploit these whilst failing to address how they may be solved is not looking to the future but exploiting other people’s pain for political gain.

My child will grow up secure – equipped to know when something is not appropriate yet it seems ukip would deny that to many many children.

Hey Ukip my mum says not to worry ..

And I always listen to my mum! ( well in 43 years most of the time )

My mum, a veteran political watcher, tells me not to bother with Ukip they will go the way of other extremist parties. They will make one to many mistakes and the British Public will take a good hard long look and reject them. She’s very wise my mum but I am not ready to ignore then quite yet.
This week, however, has been a reminder to us all that Ukip have very few principles and that their online social media support is largely subservient to the cult of Nigel and Ukip.

Kippers have managed to excuse:

Going after the money.

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Lying to the British public about donations to the Red Cross .. And then slating the Red Cross for not wanting to accept donations from them

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Not forgetting this classy effort from Thomas Evans

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Kippers have managed to demonstrate they have no sense of humour

IMG_4817.PNG Honestly Lawrence do you think any one having fun with #asknigelfarage was actually asking Nigel?

Today we had the surreal picture of a group of smiling ukip supporters in front of their new poster featuring the picture of a sexually abused girl.

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Ukip may have miscalculated – exploiting the appalling abuse of so many young people, when parents have asked them not to, will not sit well with the British Public. Ukip has an excuse for this, apparently they are highlighting child abuse. They forget it’s already been highlighted the report into the abuse was not by them and they have offered no solutions or ways to help the abused girls. Instead they further exploit them.

Finally there is this

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Ukip and Britain First linked together – nothing more needs to be said.

I would like to thank all those who exposed just one of the little and big lies that Ukip told this week. Anyone who has been called an apologist for abusers .. anyone whose been called a lefty libtard .. anyone who had just one conversation with a kipper and been abused because of it. Ukip will come undone, just as my mum predicts, because of all the individuals who never let a lie remain unchallenged.

A special thanks to Michael Abberton for this – 1218 retweets of the truth!

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Hey Ukip why do you hate agency workers

It’s always a good idea to read all the policy statements made by a party, especially when it’s a “Party of the People”. Clearly for Ukip this excludes those who work through agencies.

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Now why would Ukip want to repeal the Agency Workers Directive. Well it would go some way to giving the UK the more flexible workforce that Margot Parker called for in her speech.

This flexible workforce can say goodbye to certain rights.

You must receive the National Minimum Wage
You are entitled to paid holiday
If you spend 12 weeks in the same job with the same hirer, you qualify for equal treatment. This means you’re entitled to the same basic terms and conditions as ‘comparable workers’ – employees doing the same job in the same workplace.

There are approximately 1.5million agency workers in the UK. The report Agency Workers in the UK 2009 by CERIC found that

Two thirds of agency workers are in clerical, semi skilled and skilled occupations
The average time in job is 4.5months ( giving them access to employment rights)
Agency workers have similar qualifications to those in permanent work
A high proportion are young and unmarried
A high proportion are women

Oh and the damning bit for Ukip 5% in 2009 were foreigners!

Ukip would argue flexibility is required in the workplace to help employers .. Everyone else would argue that it’s morally wrong to have a two tier society.

Ukip think we misunderstand them .. NO we don’t

Thomas Evans wrote a blog listing the common misconceptions about Ukip and telling us all why they were wrong. Since he is so fond of commenting on my blog I thought I would return the favour.

The replies in Bold are mine the rest belongs to Thomas ..

We are anti-European.

No we are anti EU. Europe is a continent of 50+ nations. The EU is a Political Union of 28 Nations. They are not the same thing! –

Nobody thinks that only UKIP think we think that 

- We team up with Far Right Parties in the EU.
We rejected both the French National Front and Golden Dawn in the EU parliament.

No one thinks you don’t like Europe that’s just what Ukip say so they don’t have to defend their woeful attitudes towards people who don’t speak English
You are currently in partnership with these – the video says it all


- We want to privatise the NHS.

No we don’t. In fact it is UKIP policy not to privatise it or any if its essential services. Only the Tories, Labour and Lib Dems have privatised sections of the NHS. Only Labour have left the NHS in the past in dire straits with a reported £60 billion black-hole at the end of their term in Government under Tony Blair and Gordon Brown.

Would you let people opt out of the NHS and buy private services?
You believe there is too much middle management and claim ridiculous high wages for the job that they do, you have been doing it on a twitter today, perhaps read this from the Kings Fund and stop believing everything the Daily Mail writes .

- UKIP are anti-Immigration.

No. We are actually pro-Global immigration which is more than can be said with regards the EU who prioritise unskilled labour from the EU ahead of skilled labour from the Commonwealth and elsewhere in the World. UKIP want sustainable numbers in the 40,000-50,000 bracket.

We already have skilled labour coming from the non EU world 152000 visas were issued for work last year – that means you want to cut the opportunity come here as a skilled worker to 1/3 of current level. I am sure the employers requesting these visas would be most impressed with you – in fact I am sure they may choose to locate elsewhere! You are indeed anti-immigrant and your policy takes no consideration of the huge numbers of seasonal workers required for agriculture and tourism or the fact that some areas of the UK require immigration to bolster an aging population. 

- UKIP are homophobic.

UKIP believe that religions should have the right to choose whether as according to their beliefs, they should conduct Gay marriages. Nigel Farage himself said that UKIP would be pro-Gay marriage if the risk of the European Court of Human Rights taking legal action against religious groups refusing to conduct gay marriages was removed. A devoutly Christian couple were recently taken to court and lost, and were forced to pay excessive compensation for refusing a gay couple permission to stay in their hotel. Regardless of their religious beliefs. Equality has to apply to everyone. Even if you disagree with why they believe in what they do as long as in confines of law.

If you allow one couple to refuse service because their customers are gay would you find it acceptable if a deeply racist accommodation provider refused service on the basis that the couple are black. How about if a housing rental company consistently refused black tenants. Religion is not an excuse for discriminating! Would you find is acceptable to see signs like this is people’s homes?

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- UKIP are just a protest vote.

UKIP have been steadily building up a core membership for years now. They have a higher UK membership than the Green Party and shall soon (it would appear) be challenging the Liberal Democrat membership figure. Previous to the Scottish Independence Referendum we had a higher membership number than the Scottish National Party. 
UKIP win Council elections, are on the verge of winning its first MP’s and won a National Election recently. We have been polling consistently for 6 months now and have in the last 10 years been steadily improving and growing. If we are a protest party we are a very long protest party!

The SNP is a regional party not a national party, please compare to something credible! You have a core membership and support base and everyone uses you as a throw away protest vote. The number of people who like you as fallen

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Perhaps read this Thomas form Peter Kellner
“More detailed analysis shows that in 2009 Ukip secured the support of fewer than half the voters who felt positively about it. The rest voted Conservative or BNP – or, in smaller numbers, Labour, Green or Liberal Democrat. Last month Ukip harvested almost three-quarters of those who felt positive about it. This time round Ukip benefited from the collapse in BNP support and the greater willingness of unhappy Tories to lend their votes to Ukip this time round.
Overall, Ukip has not so much won new friends as polarised public opinion. Ukip did better this time at turning diminishing approval into votes, but it also alienated far more of the electorate. Millions more voters now regard Ukip negatively than in 2009, and fewer decline to take sides”


- UKIP only appeal to Tory voters and members.

UKIP have been consistently taken votes away from Labour (in some areas up to 30%), Lib Dems (in some areas 20%-30%) and 20% of our vote has come from people who had formerly not voted at all.

- A UKIP vote will hand Miliband and Labour the keys to 10 Downing Street.

Let’s get a few things straight. a) The Tories do not have a God given right to a vote. b) The Tories are the one who lost their vote. Had they kept numerous promises given over the years they would not be in the mess they currently are in now. c) In Heywood and Middleton, the Tories literally (according to polls) have no chance of winning, indeed UKIP in many areas of the North and North-west are the only competition against Labour. So actually a vote for the Tories in some areas will hand Labour MP’s. Only a UKIP vote in some areas will stop Labour MP’s joining Ed Miliband in Parliament. d) Whether people like to admit it or not. UKIP have revealed very sensible policies that people will agree with.

So you want tories to vote for you so you can take Labour seats .. Okay
Sensible policies like Btecs renamed (labour) or gammars (a failed policy from the 1950’s) No sex ed for primary school kids ( lets not empower young people to know when something is inappropriate ) Abolish ministry of culture ( an industry worth £8million an hour to the UK economy ). I could go on but I do have a life!

– UKIP are anti-Working class. Labour are the only true supporters of the working class.

Labour were the party who defied the people, and went ahead and signed the Lisbon Treaty. Subjecting the UK to more migrants from 2009 onwards than the country had ever seen previous. This deluge of unskilled migrants had the impact of reducing employment opportunity, compressing wages and encouraging businesses to discard British workers in favour of foreign cheap labour largly skilled workers prepared to do unskilled jobs

Research has clearly shown that this little relationship between unemployment, wage depression and European Migration ..

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A 2009 study found that A8 immigrants – that is those from the Czech Republic, Estonia, Hungary, Latvia, Lithuania, Slovenia, Slovakia, and Poland – paid 37 per cent more in direct or indirect taxes than they received in public goods and services.
Another study, carried out by researchers at UCL, found that new migrants were 60 per cent less likely than natives to receive state benefits or tax credits, and 58 per cent less likely to live in social housing.
Overall in 2008/9 migrants contributed 0.96 per cent of total tax receipts and accounted for only 0.6 per cent of total expenditures. So your complaint has to lie elsewhere .. Perhaps like Farage you object to foreign voices.

This has also lead to Zero Hour contracts and illegal cash in hand payment for work. This one action has set back workers employment opportunities more than any single act in British history.

zero hour contract are not the result of EU migration but an indication of the “flexible workforce” that Ukip so desire.

UKIP want to trim migration down to sensible levels, see previous comments on migration create more apprenticeship schemes, discourage people from assuming huge student loan debts by doing good honest work which doesn’t require expensive educations that will never be used ..

short termism and not reflected in the any reseach infact the opposite is true

reduce the dreadful youth unemployment levels ..

Ukip frequently link this to immigration however
There are some common myths about the labour market … immigration does not appear to lead to youth unemployment. Academic research finds either no evidence that immigration results in high youth unemployment, or evidence that it causes a rise which could only explain a fraction of the rise in NEET levels in the UK between 2004-2008, an examination of the rise in NEET levels after 2004 finds no positive link with immigration (indeed the rise in NEET levels was highest in some of the regions least affected by immigration)

Your housing policy of offering housing on where your parents live means that those young people who are unemployed will find it harder, than even now, to move to areas where there is work. Housing should be on a needs only basis – those on greatest need whomever they are get priority.
will remove income tax from the minimum wage making it more financially worthwhile to get into employment

Only if you have 2 children anyone with a third will lose exactly the same amount they gain, add to that the desire to create a more flexible labour force by leaving the EU and their pesky rules about equal pay for temporary workers et…

and will make it easier for small and medium sized businesses to operate meaning more jobs for everyone! By removing the rights currently enjoyed by those in work afforded to us by our membership of the EU

UKIP are anti-environmental.

UKIP are the only party, along with the Green Party, who want to protect the Green-Belt from development. The other parties are in favour of it.
UKIP oppose HS2, which would have an impact on the environment.
UKIP oppose further expansion of runways in favour of developing runways at other airports Nationally where the increased load of commuters can be accommodated.

Where to start – Ukip deny climate change is occurring despite all the evidence. Ukip Brownfield policy is one that was in place under labour. Ukip agricultural policy includes removing controls on factory farms to ensure their waste is properly disposed of. Ukip are the least green of all the parties – their focus on green-belt is to ignore where development is best and is pure nimbyism 

- UKIP are “fascist”, “racist” and “isolationist”.

UKIP advocate Direct Democracy, Right to Recall and local and national Referendums to bring decision-making back to the people who live within the country.

Until Ukip can show that they are not attracting a large numbers of the far right the above stands. Your libertarian let people be racist if they want attitude allows them to flourish and for their views to remain unchallenged. By cutting aid so deeply you remove our influence from large areas of the world. By cutting immigration below that actually required by business you turn us into an isolationist state.
Ukip 2 children only policy is social engineering at its worse, it is aimed at mostly ethnic minority families who tend to have larger families and is a sock to the EDL BNP contingent within the party.


We want to reconnect with the Commonwealth (a third of the Worlds black/ethnic population), we don’t want people to be discriminated on by their Nation of Birth as the EU, Labour Party, Conservative Party, Green Party and Liberal Democracts currently do by staying within the restrictive, pro-EU member European Union. People should be judged on things like quality and potential. Not the privilege of birth as the EU & Lib/Lab/Con currently support!

See previous statement about immigration. Ukip want to get rid of a multitude of programmes that help developing nations to develop and restrict development aid to emergencies only. How on earth do you think developing nations are going to be able to export manufactured goods to the UK whilst there is no inward investment due to the extremely poor infrastructure, low literacy levels and poor health care.

A little reading Thomas would help you understand why the majority of the UK are very sure that Ukip are not for them and far from being misconceptions they are in fact based on a raft of sources of information from right wing think tanks to those pesky universities .. that Ukip choose to ignore because it spoils their narrative.

Are Ukip MEPs Ignorant Naive or Stupid?

This will be a blog that will probably be regularly updated. Any suggestions proof or examples that help prove one of the above will be added so please comment or send me a tweet at @liberalisland.

To start the ball rolling we have Jane Collins. Currently on a mission to highlight the victims of abuse in Rotherham she seems to have lost the ability to differentiate between genuine concern and political point scoring of the worst kind.

17 hours ago she posted a tweet as a quote from @fight4uk

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Either she is naive and did not read it and posted a link to an anti Semitic Blog (although the clue is in the phrase the “jewess Harriet Ruth Harmon clearly visible in the tweet)
Or
She’s ignorant saw this but did not realise it’s significance.
Or
She’s stupid and thinks it’s okay to be anti Semitic.

Jane Collins is paid a great deal of money to represent her community. I am sure the Jewish members of that community will join the Muslim ones in wondering if they are getting value for money.

HEY UKIP being flexible is not all it’s cracked up to be

What was most interesting about the Ukip conference was what was not said. UKip have been accused of wanting to remove the rights of women to maternity leave, men to paternity leave, the rights of temporary workers to equality with permanent workers and a myriad of other policies from the EU that protect workers in the work place.

Amjad Bashir did have a web site that had these views in plain site, but when noted they mysteriously disappeared.
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Kippers were always happy to defend these policies when they were out in the open, quoting the cost for small companies of maternity pay. Nigel Farage made his views clear back in 2010 and like sheep they all followed.

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Now they are more circumspect, they deny that they want to get rid of Maternity Pay, claiming labour lies ..

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Of course Ukip do not want to get rid of maternity pay, they never did. They wanted to make it optional for Small and Medium size companies to offer Maternity Pay, as in you want to work for us you do so on the basis that we will not have to pay you or retain your job if you get pregnant. The same applies to other rights that we have gained as employees by being part of the EU.

Is there any evidence that Ukip have changed their views, no, instead we have a policy from Margot Parker talking about Ukip being the party of small and medium size businesses.

The telling quote from which is

Once out of the European Union, we would restore common sense flexibilities, which would allow more people into work, but more than that, would create a more robust, flexible labour market.

Ukip are not referring to the idea that we adapt as a workforce as we already have one of the most flexible labour forces in the world.

The clue is in the wording “once out of the European Union”. It is the rights that EU legislation has afforded to British workers they wish to do away with.

Any economist will tell you that the barriers to a flexible workforce are

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It’s not surprising that Ukip are short on details when it comes to discussing these issues.

Ukip have not given any details on their policies on workers rights and I suspect we will not see any this side of the General Election.